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Andrew Curry on "The World's First Temple?"

  • By Jesse Rhodes
  • Smithsonian.com, November 01, 2008, Subscribe
Andrew Curry Andrew Curry is a professional journalist based in Germany with degrees in international relations and Russian and East European studies and is a contributing editor to Archaeology magazine. You can find more of his work at www.andrewcurry.com.
Rebecca Miller

What drew you to this story? Can you describe its genesis?
Since I'm based in Berlin, I talk a lot with German archaeologists. There was a lot of buzz over here about Gobekli Tepe, and this story had been reported in Germany, but not in the English language media. Because it's such an incredible find, Schmidt's under a lot of pressure, so it took me about a year to arrange my visit for a time when he was digging in Urfa.
What was your favorite moment while covering Gobekli Tepe?
Watching the sun come up over the stones was an incredible moment. They're huge, and it's hard to imagine how primitive hunters carved them without metal tools. And yet there is a sense of mystery about them that I found a bit off-putting. I wanted to feel some deep connection or resonance, but the symbols and shapes are so far removed from anything I am familiar with that I felt like a total stranger.
Have any problems arisen since they started excavating the site?
Schmidt had good reason to be worried about the press: A major German magazine ran a cover story on the site last year suggesting it was the historical basis for the Biblical story about the "Garden of Eden." Because Muslims consider Adam a Muslim prophet (like Abraham, Moses and Jesus) when the Turkish media got a hold of the story there was a lot of pressure for him to stop digging at "Adam's birthplace"—a holy site. So Schmidt was very intent on stressing to me that the area was a very nice place to live in prehistoric times, but not literally "paradise," for fear I'd give the misunderstanding new legs.
Were there any interesting moments that didn't make it to the final draft?
I also spent some time talking to people in Urfa about the site. Most locals have never been there, and have a lot of strange ideas about it. Most of all, they see it as a way to bring in tourists. Urfa is in a fairly poor part of Turkey, so cultural tourism is a big deal. But the site's not ready for a flood of visitors—it's still being excavated, it's on a hill at the end of a bad dirt road, and the only people there are archaeologists, who are working as fast as they can to figure out what the site is all about and don't have a lot of time to show visitors around. When they're not excavating, the archaeologists cover a lot of the pillars up with stones to protect them from the elements. One local tourism official asked me why Schmidt was working so slowly, and when I thought he could start sending tour buses to the top of Gobekli Tepe. I didn't have a good answer. Schmidt's trying to find money to build a visitor's center nearby, and perhaps build walkways or something so that tourists can see the stones without damaging the site.
Are there any theories about what led to the site's abandonment?
Schmidt thinks society outgrew it, sort of. His theory is that they served the needs of a hunter-gatherer culture somehow, and as those hunter-gatherers developed agriculture and domesticated animals their spiritual needs changed radically enough that the temples at Gobekli Tepe no longer served their needs.
Why was the site initially dismissed by academics?
The big broken stones on top of the hill—actually fragments of pillars—were mistaken for medieval gravestones, and the academics doing the original survey in the 1960s simply didn't look any deeper. The site is remote enough that only a few archaeologists had ever been there. Usually prehistoric settlements in the region are found near water sources or rivers, so finding something like this on top of a dry plateau was really surprising.

What drew you to this story? Can you describe its genesis?
Since I'm based in Berlin, I talk a lot with German archaeologists. There was a lot of buzz over here about Gobekli Tepe, and this story had been reported in Germany, but not in the English language media. Because it's such an incredible find, Schmidt's under a lot of pressure, so it took me about a year to arrange my visit for a time when he was digging in Urfa.
What was your favorite moment while covering Gobekli Tepe?
Watching the sun come up over the stones was an incredible moment. They're huge, and it's hard to imagine how primitive hunters carved them without metal tools. And yet there is a sense of mystery about them that I found a bit off-putting. I wanted to feel some deep connection or resonance, but the symbols and shapes are so far removed from anything I am familiar with that I felt like a total stranger.
Have any problems arisen since they started excavating the site?
Schmidt had good reason to be worried about the press: A major German magazine ran a cover story on the site last year suggesting it was the historical basis for the Biblical story about the "Garden of Eden." Because Muslims consider Adam a Muslim prophet (like Abraham, Moses and Jesus) when the Turkish media got a hold of the story there was a lot of pressure for him to stop digging at "Adam's birthplace"—a holy site. So Schmidt was very intent on stressing to me that the area was a very nice place to live in prehistoric times, but not literally "paradise," for fear I'd give the misunderstanding new legs.
Were there any interesting moments that didn't make it to the final draft?
I also spent some time talking to people in Urfa about the site. Most locals have never been there, and have a lot of strange ideas about it. Most of all, they see it as a way to bring in tourists. Urfa is in a fairly poor part of Turkey, so cultural tourism is a big deal. But the site's not ready for a flood of visitors—it's still being excavated, it's on a hill at the end of a bad dirt road, and the only people there are archaeologists, who are working as fast as they can to figure out what the site is all about and don't have a lot of time to show visitors around. When they're not excavating, the archaeologists cover a lot of the pillars up with stones to protect them from the elements. One local tourism official asked me why Schmidt was working so slowly, and when I thought he could start sending tour buses to the top of Gobekli Tepe. I didn't have a good answer. Schmidt's trying to find money to build a visitor's center nearby, and perhaps build walkways or something so that tourists can see the stones without damaging the site.
Are there any theories about what led to the site's abandonment?
Schmidt thinks society outgrew it, sort of. His theory is that they served the needs of a hunter-gatherer culture somehow, and as those hunter-gatherers developed agriculture and domesticated animals their spiritual needs changed radically enough that the temples at Gobekli Tepe no longer served their needs.
Why was the site initially dismissed by academics?
The big broken stones on top of the hill—actually fragments of pillars—were mistaken for medieval gravestones, and the academics doing the original survey in the 1960s simply didn't look any deeper. The site is remote enough that only a few archaeologists had ever been there. Usually prehistoric settlements in the region are found near water sources or rivers, so finding something like this on top of a dry plateau was really surprising.
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Absolutely amazing discovery, what disturbs me is we immediatelly want to label it something like a "temple" when we have no idea what it really is. Questions like why would it not just be abandoned instead of being covered up,almost like leaving it for when someone returns later.

Nothing springs from nothing, the people, the skills, the material needed would take time to accrue. What prompted its building at a time when primitive man needed all of his time and energy just to survive as a hunter gatherer, what would cause them to stop, learn skills, and build such a monument?
This could not be the builders first building, it appears too sophisticated, where were earlier models?

One thought that occurred to me is that when people had no use for a construction, from the colliseum in rome to the Sphinx, they simply left them, the didn't cover them up, many times they reused the building material. Maybe this was built by someone not a local, someone who didn't want it either discovered or reused, who when they were through with it found burying it quite appropriate.

So many questions, so few real answers, I look forward to reading more about amazing find, we should not jump to conclusions.

Mike
A great find, yes. I think we need to leave the bible out of this dig and this discussion of the dig, except to say that this dig is perhaps further evidence that the human race did not begin in the garden of eden. It is for us here and now a step farther back in human history, and it closes a little bit more the gap in the record between neolithic humans and those responsible for Lascaux and the other painted caves.

Another commenter suggested that space men built Gobleki Tepe. I think this is nuts. I think that believing that space men did it reveals a disbelief in the ingenuity and vast imagination of human beings. We as a race have done incredible things when rightly inspired. One person with the right idea at the right time can alter a society.
This is a great find and I hope in time it is all unearthed and revealed. Even so unless the builders documented this in some sort of way that is readable we will never know for sure the how and whys of this place. Educated guesses sometimes seem like they might be right. I don't think I would necessarily call this place a temple just yet when it so much resembles what may be a Chieftains Spa or just a tribal hang out! Good luck working with this the rest of the way which will continue i'm sure for years.
Geographical and historical records found in the Bible, though often challenged, have invariably proven to be accurate and correct. Therefore the Bible description of people before the flood may well explain who built Göbekli Tepe. According to the book of Genesis, disobedient materialized angels fathered took human females and fathered (hybrid) offspring. These 'fellers' had extraordinary capabilities and dominated over other humans. Perhaps this could explain some of the mystery connected with this amazing site... or add more to it!
I was intreged by the pictures I saw of this dig,my first impresion was and still is that this is a pre Noahs flood remains asit has been buried by flood waters and all wood material washed away.all the world was compleatly changed by all the worlds water roaring over the landskape.the earth was cut in two by the huge comet that past Mars and sucked all the water off of the planet and on comming around to Earth it took 40 days to close on Earth raining all this time then smashing into the Earth cutting half the Earth off from what is now the south pole to Alaska,some of which remains under Alaska today.most of the debrey blasted into the sky created the Moon and near all the water and material fell back to the Earth and changed the entire landskape and creating the ociens and burying the old world.The old world just peeks out in some places.
I think that the true nature of this site and others like it around the world will be shrouded in mystery for some time to come.The beliefs or assumptions that we have about ancient beliefs and what motivated mankind to build such structures is very limited and is largely based upon what the academia has taught us as being acceptable.We may just be in for a surprise if the truth about these things is ever revealed.I find it hard to believe that these monolithic structures where built only to appease the gods unless there was some serious impetus inspiring or helping these people to do so,something beyond fear of a bad hunt of what lies beyond death.Why would men involved in hunting and gathering suddenly feel compelled to build such buildings with no prior knowledge of skills to do so?
is there a site where i can see better more detailed photos of this site. if so please email the site to me thank you
the fact that this site is the oldest discovered to date .should open our eyes and minds to the fact that this site may help us to find just how much knowledge we have lost over the last 12000 years.just like the pyramids we still have no idea how they were built. i hope that in my lifetime we rediscover all the knowledge we have lost over the years.
when the articles (perhaps not this) say on a stele vultures are hoovering over a scorpion, they are actually also hovering over a dead vulture (that is on the same panel) my interpretation was , vultures do also eat dead vultures, (theres a dead vulture there on the upper pane) and in the end they even eat scorpions. since i am quite sure of either, but have no such info and have never seen it confirmed, my impression is at least part of the original intention was to educate youth about well nature, and obviously , since that is so widespread, about the sky burrial as well. interestingly i would infer that the starts of agriculture are being made when this site is erected, and that it may even be an expression to confront the first agricultural dogma (that may well have been part of a 'diplomatic' oral tribal tradition in the region) that agriculture would make for a 'greater culture'. an argument i would guess comes up quite naturally on so to say 'tribal elder' level. in fact more recent iniatives of 'civillisation' like eg. the christian mission featured still the very same argument prominently.
It looks to me that this is the first example of a university. 11,000 years later the good professor Schmidt has no reference to a people who would seem mentally deficient to people of this age. I see the alligator heading downward with a great grin. It seems to me that the meaning is you are returning back to a lower sun but don't be fearful. I do agree with the professor that the people lost interest due to (it looks like) limited weathering on the stones. To me it is obvious that a Da Vinchi like sculpter had been born and the people buried the art work for posterity. As a final point I say imagine a village area of some 5000 people whom are autistic in a sense. 5.8 million years to get to the moon.
My understanding of the carbon dating method is that it is used to date objects that have once been alive. I would be interested in finding out how the stone pillars came to be dated as being 11,000 years old. That date is quite close to the time of the end of the last Ice Age.

I would like to comment on Armando Busick's comment (November 15/08. His remark about the fear of nature being caused by "something" intrigued me. Perhaps that "something" was planetary-wide catastrophes that accompanied the end of the last Ice Age about 12,00 years ago.

In modern times, the terror generated by a single tsunami is enough to make believers out of people. Imagine then if you will, the terror that would ensue if the whole planet were to be racked by earthquakes, volcanoes , massive flooding, raging firestorms, hurricanes, mudslides, tornadoes etc., all going on at the same time.

These manifestations of a world gone mad would be more than enough to engender a fear of nature that would last through the ages. The animal carvings could then be seen as representating the terrifying forces of nature.

My own feeling about the place favours the idea that this was where ancestors were honoured, and where memories of times past were recalled in story and song.

Perhaps Gobekli Tepe was erected by survivors of a terrifying cataclysmic event. Consequently, there would be a lot of food for vultures and scavengers of every kind. But then, gradually, as conditions settled down and normalized, agriculture and animal husbandry would take over from the need to hunt. Still, for a long time afterward, people would continue to make pilgrimages to the site to give thanks, or to gain inspiration and insight from oracles, priests or priestesses.

The alternate view that I have is that the site might have been built during the period of the Ice Age and somehow survived the violent ending of that Age.
The theory that building sacred sites came before farming and domesticating animals for food may find support also from deeper analysis of other cult sites already known, but not considered under this light usually. Think of Macchu Pichu and Tiahuanaco in South America, or the Giza Sphinx in Egypt, whose real age is unknown to our present day scientists, and whose symbolical meaning is subject to many debates among the laymen, but no so for those acquainted with the so called traditional knowledge (in the sense described by Rene Guenon). Present day geographical features may differ greatly from those found at a given place 10 or 20 thousand years ago, as Satellite observations have shown without reasonable doubt, so rivers and deserts have disappeared or appeared in such not so long spans of time.I wanted to find how the sphinx found at this turkish site looked like, but I was unsuccessfulso far.
I doubt the theory that building sacred sites came before farming and domesticating animals for food. As Mr. Curry says in his article; it would take hundreds of settlers to build these things so they could not have hunted and gathered food for hundreds; there can only be one explanation; the settlers did not build them; but someone else, perhaps from outer space? And for some reason, (a falling out) or the settlers just did not like what was built; so they covered it up. Check out Zacharia Sitchen who translated the sumerian tablets. He has written many books, expertly researched, which has credible relevance, but is generally dismissed by academia. By the way, Mr. Curry, was your Dad named Clifford Curry and was your great grandfather George Curry, ex-governor of New Mexico? If so, I am related to you.
I'd just like to comment on the first comment here, the question of astronomical implications. Of course more or less any decent briccoleur will make that assumption right away, but - since no more than 5% of the site has been dug out yet, perhaps it would be a good idea to let the archaeologists do their bit first, and leave stone age astronomy, Garden of Eden, and such, for later.
I find, however, the debate on whether this discovery leads to an ideological origin of the "Neolithic Revolution" or not, extremely potent - and this is where the so-called archaeo - astronomers might present us with a couple of interesting ideas. I am looking forward to hearing anything about that. Good luck!


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